Christian Democrats
Is there such a term? Can one be a Democrat and a Christian? I know as it stands Republicans aren’t much better. But which platform best describes your morals, values and beliefs? The one that promotes abortion, gay marriage, keeping prayer out of schools, socialism (which is the transitional stage between capitalism and communism–where there is no God and religion) or the one that at least tries to be the last bastion of decency. Sorry, but you can’t follow the teachings of Jesus and follow the platform of the Democratic Party. If you say you do, you are lying to me and yourself -it cannot be done.
Read the following dialogue between myself and a “Christian Democrat”. Compromise has infiltrated the church big time!! You can read the entire post at -
http://chadholtz.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/my-response-to-dr-james-dobson
I will just post the statement I questioned.
Chad said:
“Personally, I feel Obama and the democratic platform more accurately reflect the Gospel.”
Obama said:
“the first thing he would do as president would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which would do away with many state-level restrictions on abortion.”
Now that is Christ-like, isn’t it Chad? Would Jesus support such a thing?
Response from “Chris”-
“Now that is Christ-like, isn’t it Chad? Would Jesus support such a thing?”
Hey lets go tit for tat…
McCain supports the Bush Doctrine. Jesus said “you have heard it said an eye for an eye and a tooth for tooth but I tell you…”
I’m not implying I want to go tit for tat I’m just sayin…
My response-
Chris said:
“McCain supports the Bush Doctrine”
Stephen says:
I never mentioned McCain and didn’t expect the answer to be a question. Simple logic is what I want. You vote for the person who best represents your beliefs and values. The statement Chad made makes me wonder why he associates himself with the Gospel of Jesus Christ when everything the Democratic party stands for goes against his teachings. Abortion, taking God out of everything near and dear to us, prayer in schools, gay marriages, HAPPY HOLIDAYS, not MERRY CHRISTMAS–do I need to go on? McCain is moderate at best, but the results of this election only tells me the moral
fabric of this country is no longer in tact. Even the “christians” are compromising!
“Chris’” response-
Stephen said:”Even the “christians” are compromising!”
Not comprising nor am I conflating issues as you have done with that whole diatribe. Sans your nice tone the quotation marks indicate that you don’t believe I’m a real Christian because I voted for Barack.
Stephen said “everything the Democratic party stands for goes against his teachings. Abortion, taking God out of everything near and dear to us, prayer in schools, gay marriages, HAPPY HOLIDAYS, not MERRY CHRISTMAS–do I need to go on?”
Why don’t you prove to me that the Democratic party is solely responsible for everything in that list and then we can talk.
Start with Roe v Wade, and see the political parties of the presidents who nominated the judges that made the decision. Give you a hint the majority of the judges weren’t nominated by a Democrat.
On a final note legislating morality only works as long as you remain in power. Jesus wasn’t about dominion he was about freedom. Change a mans heart and you won’t have to worry about the laws. That’s why the Christian Right is having a temper tantrum right now about President elect Barack Obama.
My response-
Chris said:
“Give you a hint the majority of the judges weren’t nominated by a Democrat.”
That may be true, but read history before you spew rhetoric. The media has taught you well. The author of Roe v. Wade, Harry Blackmun, was recommended to President Nixon for nomination by Justice Warren Burger. He was believed to keep a conservative interpretation of the law. He obviously made a left turn along the way. He was Republican in party, but not in thinking. Warren Burger -Republican, William O. Douglas-Democrat, William J. Brennan, Jr-Democrat, Potter Stewart-Republican, Byron White-Democrat, Thurgood Marshall-Democrat, Lewis F. Powell, Jr-Republican, William Rehnquist-Republican. Three of them nominated by Nixon, two by Eisenhower–and one turned made a no left turn. Tell me, Chris–do you believe abortion is a right to privacy issue? Or do you believe it is murder of innocent children? Obama himself said “if my daughter makes a mistake, why should she be PUNISHED with a baby?” The Bible from which you adhere to says “Sons are a heritage from the Lord, children a reward from him.” (Psalm 127:3)
That line of thinking directly contradicts the Word of God. And if you believe that, YOU my friend are a hypocrite.
Chris’ response-
tephen said: “That may be true, but read history before you spew rhetoric.”
Wow you accuse me of truth and rhetoric in the same sentence. I’m amazed. Since your previous diatribe conflated every evil in the U.S. with Dems. I would say you have a hard time with rhetoric.
For every asinine comment you can come up with that Barack said (which the one you cited is by far the most asinine thing I’ve ever heard anyone say) I can come up with 10 from Bush, McCain, or Palin. But that’s not the point.
For the record I don’t agree with abortion. I absolutely abhor it. I believe it’s counter to the word of God. And I still voted for Barack. Wanna know why? Because anybody he nominates for Supreme Court isn’t going to affect abortion. Abortion will not be overturned in this country. NEVER! Not in my life time not in my kids life time. NEVER! It’s a non-issue now.
BTW I am hypocrite…no fear of that in my eyes. But so was the Apostle Paul. For that which I want to do I can not do and that which I do not want to do I do.
One more thing… 7 of the 9 justices voted in favor of Roe v Wade. Of the two justices that voted NO 1 was a Republican nominee and the other a Dem nominee. So again your Dems are evil doesn’t square with the facts.
And another tidbit about me; I’m treasurer of the local Right to Life chapter. I know…terrible.
My response-
Chris-
You dodged my question just like a good democrat–I will repeat it:
Tell me, Chris–do you believe abortion is a right to privacy issue? Or do you believe it is murder of innocent children?
Obama himself said “if my daughter makes a mistake, why should she be PUNISHED with a baby?” The Bible from which you adhere to says “Sons are a heritage from the Lord, children a reward from him.” (Psalm 127:3)
How do you respond to what your hero believes and what the word of God says?
BTW, Chris-
The assinine statement I quoted from Obama is on record ‘ cuz he said it–I didn’t!
And if you are the treasurer for the local Right to Life, what in the hell are you doing raising money for a cause you deemed a non -issue, you freakin’ hypocrite!
I dare you to answer !
From Chad-
Stephen,As paradoxical as it may seem to you the truth of the matter is that people who voted for Obama and even people who are pro-choice are not pro-abortion. Furthermore, abortion is not the only pro-life issue that we should consider as Christians.
Whether we like it or not abortion is not going to go away. What we as the Church CAN do, however, is rather than trying to get the government to legislate our moral virtues we could spend more time ministering to those families caught in the trap of hopelessness and feeling as though they have no alternatives. Getting the government to do our job for us is not the solution. If anything it might bring some short-term change (but even then, a lifting of R.v.Wade would only put the decision back in the hands of states and create an economy in some states on the backs of abortion clinics) but not the lasting change that changing people’s hearts can bring.
I think abortion is terrible – I hate it. But I also hate that millions of people in our country are uninsured. I hate that our ecomony is driven by a system that rewards the rich and damns the poor. I hate that we are in a pointless war and have killed thousands of innocent people (children included). Like I said, there are many pro-life issues. The hypocrites, IMO, are those who sound the trumpet for sanctity of life in the womb and sound the trumpet to drop bombs in foreign lands.
peace
My response:
Chad-
Then why does Chris handle money for a right for Life group when it is a non-issue? What happens to the funds generated for a useless cause?
Chad said:
“But I also hate that millions of people in our country are uninsured. I hate that our ecomony is driven by a system that rewards the rich and damns the poor.”
Democrats want to give away everything, healthcare , money-they want you to be totally reliant on the government. God’s word says:
“He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need.” (Ephesians 4:28)
I have no problem sharing with someone who is hurting–but to do so because someone is too lazy to work is not acceptable.
There are jobs out there–even McDonald’s offers health insurance to employees. America is filled with lazy people who want something for nothing and Obama’s the man to do it. You can sugar coat it with all the love and compassion you want–the Democratic platform directly contradicts the word of God and you are a hypocrite also.
Chad then said:
“I hate that we are in a pointless war and have killed thousands of innocent people (children included)”
War is not pretty, people die. 6 million of God’s people died in WWII–why ? Because liberal thinking forced America to look the other way. Sadaam killed almost as many of his own people and the world is a better place without him. Do you want another holocaust? Do you think Obama is the peacemaker? Think the world will embrace him? If that happens, he truly is the antichrist and you better start working out your own salvation through fear and trembling.
Matthew 24:24 “For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible.”
I am not deceived, I see the truth-
Thanks for helping destroy the United States, Chad!!!
Chad said-
Stephen,
Grace and peace, bro. Grace and peace.
My response-
Just as I thought. When confronted with real questions, you side step–it is the way of the Democratic Party.
Bury your head in the sand, Chad, and dance to the song of Obama the Savior,
When your head is buried, your butt is vulnerable.
I hope you have plenty of Vaseline!!
